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雷蒙教授曾任美国密歇根大学法学院院长、美国法学院院长联合会主席以及美国康奈尔大学校长。多年来，他一直致力于拓展全世界的国际法律教育，并在国际法教育方面做出了巨大的贡献。雷蒙教授带着J.D项目来到中国，并在位于深圳大学城的北京大学深圳研究生院开办了国际法学院，同时他本人将担任创院院长。
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据介绍，J.D项目将聘请世界各著名法学院教授、著名大法官、杰出律师任教，采用全英文授课，按照最新、最高标准和美国法学教育中的J.D培养模式来培养学生。整个培养也将符合中国学位制度和北京大学授予学位的要求，努力使学生成为具有独立从事涉外经济法律实务工作能力的应用型高级法律人才。
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记者（Reporter）：It is a great pleasure for sznews.com to have an interview with you, Doctor Lehman. As a former President of an Ivy League university, dean of top U.S law schools for many years, we really admire and respect your contribution to legal education and your international perspective. The theme we are gonna be talking about is Transnational Law Education, and some questions related to your personal experience. As a former President of an Ivy League university in the United States, you must have many career options after you leave Cornell, why do you choose to come to China and build a completely new law school in Mainland China?
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雷蒙教授，深圳新闻网非常荣欣能够有机会和您做这次专访。作为常青藤大学联盟其中一所大学的前任校长，同时多年任职于美国最好的法学院的院长，我们十分欣赏您在法律教育方面做出的贡献和您的国际视野。
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作为美国常青藤大学联盟其中一所大学的前任校长，在您离开康奈尔大学后，您一定有很多新的职业选择，那么为什么您会选择到中国大陆开始您的新职业生涯，建设一所全新的法律学院。
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雷蒙教授（Doc Lehman）：I believe that what is happening here in Shenzhen at this campus of Beida, is the most exciting development in all of higher education in the world today. What is happening here is that China is helping to lead in the worldwide modernization of legal education. This is a process that has been moving across Asia for the last five years. And now it has come to China, so when vice president Haiwen came to me and asked me if I would be willing to be a part of this, I was very honored to have this opportunity.
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我认为现在在北京大学深圳研究生院校园内发生的一切，是当今全世界高等教育发展中的一件最激动人心的事。这里所发生的一切标志着中国正在全球范围内引领法律教育的现代化。这一过程已经在过去的5年时间中在亚洲逐步展开。现在，它来到了中国，所以当北京大学**副校长问我是否愿意成为中国现代国际法教育的一员时，我非常高兴自己得到了这样一个机会。
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记者（Reporter）：As I am concerned, Japan and Korea both have this kind of program.据我所知，日本、韩国也在开展这样的项目。
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雷蒙教授（Doc Lehman）：Yes, in the last five years, Japan, South Korea, Australia, Hongkong have all decided to move towards this new international standard of legal education which is called a J.D. And now that mainland China has joined in this process as well. It means that students from the mainland will be able to receive this education here without leaving China, and it also means that China will participate in the ongoing changes in the J.D program, because the J.D program is changing everywhere. When I was the dean of the law school at the University of Michigan, one of the most important changes that we made was to require all our student to study transnational law.
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When I was a student, there was no course in transnational law. Today every student graduates form University of Michigan law school must study transnational law. But the content of transnational law is changing with globalization. So now that China is a member of WTO, China also will help to shape the content of transnational law, and now that China will have a school of transnational law here in Shenzhen which is the symbol of modernization in China. China also will shape legal education in the 21sh century.
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对，在过去5年时间里，日本、南韩、澳大利亚、香港等国家和地区都决定引进新的国际标准化的法律教育项目，这个项目叫“J.D”。现在，中国大陆也加入到了这个进程中。这就意味着中国学生以后在国内也可以接受到这样的法律教育，同样也表明中国将参与到J.D项目的发展改革中，因为J.D项目在全球任何地方都保持着不断的发展和改变。当我在密歇根大学法学院担任院长的时候，我开展的一项最重要的变革就是要求我们学院的每一位学生都学习国际法。
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当我还是学生的时候就没有这一项课程。今天，所有毕业于密歇根大学法学院的学生必须学习国际法。但是国际法的教学内容是与时俱进的。现在，中国是WTO成员了，中国也将帮组修改制定国际法的教学内容。即将在深圳开设的法学院将成为中国现代化进程中的一个标志。中国也将在21世纪为法律教育构建出一份力量。
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记者（Reporter）：What is the difference between Peking University Law School and your STL in Shenzhen. As far so I know Peking University Law School is one of the leading law school in China, Could you share with us the difference of PKU and STL.
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北京大学法学院的课程教育和北大深圳研究生院的法学院有何不同？据我所知，北京大学法学院是国内法律教育的前沿，您能介绍一下他们之间的不同吗？
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雷蒙教授（Doc Lehman）：PKU is the symbol of outstanding legal education in China, preparing Chinese students to be Chinese lawyers, members of the Chinese Bar Association. STL will be a complement. It will provide the same quality of legal education looking outside China. So PKU law school is primarily looking inside China. Student also study international law of course at PKU, But the main focus is inside China. At STL the main focus will be outside China. So for example, students at PKU in Beijing study all the courses in Chinese, not all the course, but almost all the courses. Here at STL, all the courses will be English, because English is the language of international business and transnational law.
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北京大学法学院是中国最出色法律教育的象征，它使众多中国学生成为了律师，很多律师也成为了中国律师协会的成员。STL可以作为中国法律教育的一个补充，它将提供具有同样教学水平的、面向国外的法律教育，相比之下，PKU法学院的教学内容则基本面向国内。虽然在PKU，学生也学习国际法课程，但其教学重点主要放在中国国内的环境中。在STL，教学重点将放在国际环境中，比如在PKU，学生上所有法学课程时都用中文教学，可能不是所有课程，但基本大多数课程用中文教学。而在STL，所有的课程都是用英文教学，因为英语是国际商业和国际法律界通用的语言。
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记者（Reporter）：So STL has the characteristic of multiple perspective.
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所以STL具有多角度特点。
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雷蒙教授（Doc Lehman）：Yes, it is a difference in degree. Both schools share a commitment to excellence, commitment to being world class. But subject focus is different, here the focus is transnational law, so student will spend much more time at STL studying the common law. At PKU, there are some courses that are focused on common law, but more focused on civil law. So the two go together, the perfect legal education in my opinion will be to have a degree from STL and a degree from PKU in Beijing.
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对，他们只是在学位上有不同，两所学院都以建设国际级的优秀法律教育为使命。两所学院在课程上的教授重点存在不同，在深圳的法学院以国际法课程为主，所以学生将花更多的时间学习普通法，在PKU，有一部分课程以普通法为主，而更多的课程重点放在了民法上。所有我认为，如果把两所学院的学历结合起来，就可以形成最好的法律教育。
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记者（Reporter）：Many Chinese student do not know what the exact meaning of J.D. Whether is it a master’s degree or Ph.D. So can you explain what is J.D.
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许多中国学生不知道J.D到底是指什么？它是硕士课程还是博士课程？您能够为大家解释一下吗？
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雷蒙教授（Doc Lehman）：Yes, J.D program began in North America in United States and Canada. And it has several different characteristics, one characteristic is that students are admitted to a J.D program as a graduate program like LLM or SJD, or Ph.D，that is to say it’s not a bachelor’s program. To be admitted to a J.D program one has to first spend four years receiving a bachelor’s degree in some other subject. Then after doing that, the content of the program is defined in part by the method of teaching. And so the core teaching method in a J.D program involves what is known as the Socratic method, the case method of instruction.
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This was developed at Harvard by professor Langdell, and the essence is that students when they come to class do not just listen to a lecture by a professor, they come having read a case, and professor asks questions that lead students to see that the case could be understood in several different ways, and the students are taught to be able to see problems from multiple perspectives at the same time. And this is really the essence of the J.D education. And the reason why it is so important that in a globalizing world, we are trying to harmonize many different systems. We try to harmonize civil law system, common law system. We are trying to harmonize western perspectives, Asian perspectives, European perspectives. All of those perspectives are important. And a great lawyer now needs to be able to see things from all of these perspectives and develop a sense of how to build a harmony among all of them. And that is the core of the J.D education. It is not so much to teach students a substantive body of law, it is more to teach students in approach to law, a way of thinking about law, that has become the principle way what transnational lawyers especially in the business world think about law.
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J.D项目始于北美的美国和加拿大两个国家。它具有几个特点，一个特点是，进入J.D项目学习的学生是以研究生项目开展的，好比LLM法律硕士、SJD法学博士等，也就是说它不是学士学历的项目。学生如果想报考J.D课程，必须先花4年时间拿到一个任意专业的本科学历。在进入J.D课程后，课程教学内容在某一方面由教学方法来决定。J.D课程的核心教学方法是称之为“苏格拉底式教学法”，也就是案例教学法。
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这种教学形式是由美国哈佛大学的兰戴尔教授创立，它的主要特点就是，学生进入课堂后不仅仅只是听教授授课，学生们会阅读一个案例，然后教授会提出一些列问题来引导学生从多个层面，多方位的来理解这个案例，学生同时就学会了从多个角度来看问题的能力。这就是J.D课程教育的精髓所在。J.D项目在全球化世界如此重要的原因是我们正在试图将不同的法律体系进行协调。我们在协调民法体系和普通法体系，我们在把西方观念、东方观念、欧洲观念进行融合。所有这些观念都很重要。一个优秀的律师应该具备从各个不同的角度来看问题并且能够在其中建立起协调关系。这就是J.D的教育核心内容，它不是教法律实体内容，而是教学生法律的思维方式，这已经成为了全球商业中国际律师的法律思维法则。
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记者（Reporter）：From what your words, I think J.D to some extent, is like MBA degree.
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雷蒙教授（Doc Lehman）：We are seeing this kinds of international standards developing in different kinds of education. The MBA has become the international standard in business education, and J.D is becoming the international standard in legal education.
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I was speaking with the dean of the University of Melbourne, law school in Australia. And for a long time, the standard of legal education in Melbourne used to be the LLB, the bachelor of law’s degree, and three years ago, they made a decision to change to adopt a J.D standard in Melbourne.And now dean Crommelin told me they are eliminating LLB completely, and so the only legal education that will be offered in Melbourne will be the J.D. Just as is becoming a case in South Korea as well.
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And a month ago, I spend some time in Hongkong, I visited City University of Hongkong and Chinese University of Hongkong, both universities just last year started their own J.D programs. So this has become a standard now in legal education.
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Other kinds of law degrees I believe will continue to be there, because they each have their own important contributions to make within different countries. But when you are talking about the lawyers who work in international business, in international commerce, there is going to be a standard in the way that business people around the world all speak English to each other, no matter whether they from China or France or Germany or Japan, they speak English in business. There is emerging a kind of language for international legal practice as well, and it all starts with the J.D.
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我们可以看到这样的国际标准已经被用在了多种不同的教育中。MBA课程在商业管理教育中已经成为了一个国际标准化的教育项目，那么J.D则成为了法律教育中的国际标准。
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我和澳大利亚墨尔本大学法学院院长交谈过。在过去很长的一段时间里，墨尔本大学的法律教育所采用学位标准是LLB，法律的学士学位，3年前，他们决定在墨尔本大学改换他们的标准，采用J.D的标准。现在，Crommelin院长告诉我，他们已经完全去掉了LLB标准，现在在墨尔本大学惟一的法律教育标准就是J.D。在韩国情况也是这样。
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一个月前，我在香港呆了一阵，我访问了香港城市大学和香港中文大学，这两所大学去年都开始采用J.D项目了，所以J.D现在已经成为了法律教育的一个标准。我认为其它形式的法律学位还会继续存在，因为在不同的国家里它们各自都有其重要的作用。
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在国际商业贸易活动中的律师们，所有来自不同国家的人说的都是英语，不管是来自中国、法国、德国或日本，他们在商贸活动中都讲英语。在国际法律事务中也就出现了英语这个通用的语言。
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记者（Reporter）：Next questions is about your faculties. Where are the faculties of STL come from? Your school is going to enroll students from September 2008. Can you share with us some information about your faculties? You know, faculties are the soul and vital spirit of a school. Please tell us something about it.
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我下个问题是关于你的教师资源。STL的教师都来自哪里？您的学校将在2008年9月开始招收学生。你能给我们介绍一下教师情况吗？您知道，教师是一个学校的灵魂。
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雷蒙教授（Doc Lehman）：So our faculty will be a combination of permanent faculty and visitors from other countries, other schools. So for our permanent faculty, We have already recruited two outstanding professors, one is a Chinese, professor Liya Rong, and she holds Chinese law degree, is a Chinese lawyer, practice law in China. She also holds degrees Harvard and from University of Michigan. She has taught courses at Beida and at Tsinghua and at Michigan and is specialist in tax law. She will be a member of our faculty.
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We have also recruited a professor Marlon Suc, who is German, a German citizen, he has taught in Netherlands, in Amsterdam, and was the head of the international law department at ERASMUS University in Netherlands, he has also taught in United States at Berkeley and at Michigan, and he has taught in Hongkong, he has been the dean of City University of Hongkong law school, and he has agreed to come join our faculty here in Shenzhen as a permanent faculty member. He will teach several courses.
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And then in addition we will recruit visitors, and so I have been in touch with the deans of top law schools in United States, the dean of Stanford Law School Larry Kramer, the dean of Yale Law School Harold Hongju Koh, the dean of University of Michigan Law School Evan H. Caminker, the dean of Cornell Law School Stewart J. Schwab. We have been talking about who might be appropriate visitors to come and teach our students here in Shenzhen.
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So we will have a combination, we will have a mix of professors from top law schools from around the world who want to come visit, and professors who want to come and be a permanent part of our faculty here.
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我们的教师队伍主要是由永久性教师和各国访问教师两部分组成。到目前为止，我们已经招聘了两位有名望的教授，一位是中国人，荣丽亚，她在中国获得了法律学位，并在中国从事法律行业工作。她同时也获得了哈佛大学和密歇根大学的学位。她也在北京大学和密歇根大学授过课，在税法方面她是一个专家，她将成为我们教师队伍的一员。
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我们还聘请了一位来自德国的教授Marlon Suc，他在荷兰阿姆斯特丹授过课，是ERASMUS大学国际法学院的一位牵头人。他也在美国伯克莱大学和密歇根大学讲过学，也曾是香港城市大学法学院的院长，他同意加入到我们深圳的法学院，成为一名永久性的教师，他将教几门课程。
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除此之外，我们将聘请一些访问教授，我已经和美国最好的几个法学院联系过，斯坦福大学法学院的Larry Kramer院长、耶鲁大学法学院院长Hongju Koh、密歇根大学法学院院长Evan H. Caminker、康奈尔大学法学院院长Stewart J. Schwab等等。我们谈论了一些比较合适到深圳STL进行授课的访问教授的情况。
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所以我们的教师队伍是一个组合，临时访问教授和永久性教师的组合。
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记者（Reporter）：So you got Human Recource of all elite professors from around the world.所以您掌握了全球最好的法学院教授的资源。
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雷蒙教授（Doc Lehman）：Yes, we should have very best professors from around the world come here, because this is going to be a symbol of excellence in legal education for all of Asia. We want this school to be the very best school of its kind in all of Asia. In order for that to happen, we need to have best faculty come here, because just as you said, the faculty is the soul of any university.
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对，我们应该拥有全世界最好的法学教授，因为这将代表着这里拥有全亚洲最好的法律教育体系。当然我们也希望它成为全亚洲同类学校中最好的一个。为了让我们具备这样的条件，我们必须拥有最好的教师队伍，正如你刚才所说的，教师队伍是任何大学的灵魂。
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记者（Reporter）：I noticed that so many law educations or organizations around the world focus on your STL program here in Shenzhen, so can you expain why?
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我注意到全球有很多的法律教育机构和组织对您深圳的STL计划都非常关注，您能够解释一下为什么吗？
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雷蒙教授（Doc Lehman）：Well, I can speak mostly about the United States where in the U.S, we all feel that the most important partnership in the 21st century is the partnership between United States and China. And we in legal education of course feel that a key element of partnership is harmony in legal education.
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And this school here in Shenzhen symbolizes that harmony, it symbolizes the vision of leadership of Peking University, their willingness to lead to take bold new steps, and their willingness to form partnerships with universities from around the world.
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And so in United States, when I speak as I often do about what is happening here, everyone is excited. And I was speaking with a member of United States Supreme Court about this, and he says this is amazing, this is so excited, we should be supportive of China as it develops this exciting new program.
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I have spoke just three weeks ago, I spoke to judges in the Federal Court and talk to them about this program, and they asked how can we help, how can we come and give lectures to your students. I have that reaction almost everywhere I go. I have been speaking with law firms in Beijing and in Hongkong, I have been describing the program, they have said we would like to help, “we would like to be the sponsors of this program, we would like to work with the students who are going to be the graduates of this program”.
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So we have two law firms who have already said we want to be sponsors of the school. The firm of Paul Hastings which is a major international firm and the firm of Akin Gump which is also a major international firm, and each of them have said we want to be participant, we want to be able to have our lawyers come and talk with your student, and we’d like to be able to work with your students, so everyone’s excited about this.
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我可以讲一下美国的情况，在美国，我们都认为21世纪最重要的关系就是中美之间的合作关系。作为法律教育人士，我觉得促成合作关系的最关键的因素就是法律教育的融合。
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深圳的这所法学院就代表着这种融合，它代表了北京大学领导的视野，他们愿意勇敢的迈出新的一步，他们愿意与全世界其它国家的大学形成合作伙伴关系。
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那么在美国，当我对我的美国同仁们谈起中国现在发生的一切时，每一个人无不表现的十分激动。我和美国最高法院的一个成员也谈过，他说“这真是太令人不可思议了，太令人激动了，对于中国发展J.D项目，我们应该给于支持”。
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大概3个多星期前，我和美国联邦法院的几位法官谈论过这个项目，他们很积极的问该如何给予帮助，怎么样能给STL的学生们授课。无论我走到哪里，当我谈到这件事的时候大家的反应都是一样的。我已经与北京和香港的法律公司谈过此事，我介绍了STL的情况，他们都表示愿意提供帮助。“我们希望成为你的这个计划的赞助商，我们也迫切希望能够和你们学院毕业的学生共事。”
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现在已经有两家法律公司表示希望成为我们的赞助商。Paul Hastings和Akin Gump这两家法律公司都是国际著名的法律公司。他们都表示愿意参与到我们这个项目中来。“我们希望我们的律师能够与你们的学生进行交流，我们也希望能够和你们的毕业生共事”。每个人都对此事激动不已。
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记者（Reporter）：As China’s economy develops, more and more international legal cases involve Chinese companies or citizens. In your opinion, what is the difference of attitudes toward legal suits between Chinese and American companies or citizens?
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随着中国经济的发展，越来越多的国际法律案件中会牵扯到中国公司和公民。在您看来，中国与美国的公司和公民对待法律案件的态度有何不同？
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雷蒙教授（Doc Lehman）：That’s a very good question, and I think it’s one of the things that is changing over time. Obviously the two countries are starting from different legal cultures. And certainly the notion of reliance on court and litigation is much more common in the United States then it has historically been in China. So the institutions that have structured business relationships in China have been different. What we are seeing now is that in international sphere, there is a kind of harmony emerging where courts are used in international cases in the background. Participants are willing to use court when they need to, but first they will rely on mediation, on arbitration, on alternative dispute resolution, other ways of trying to resolve disagreement without having to go to court first.
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So both elements are important part of international business today, and we want our students at School of Transnational Law to be skilled in working in different legal cultures and to be skillful in working in different business cultures as well.
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这是个很好的问题，我想这是一个随时间而不断变化的问题。很显然，这两个国家有着不同的法律文化。从历史上来看，美国人依靠法律起诉来处理问题比中国人司空见惯的多。中国商业关系的建立制度是不同的。我们现在从国际性的角度来看，在特定的背景下，国际性案例中出现了一种融合。参与者在他们觉得有必要时就会将案件提交到法院，但首先，他们会信任中间调停者、仲裁者和纷争的替代解决方案，或者其它形式的不用上法庭的解决方案。
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所以这两者都是当今国际商业中的重要部分。我们希望我们法学院的学生能够学会在不同的法律文化下工作的能力以及在不同商业文化中工作的能力。
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记者（Reporter）：From your words, I noticed that you repeated harmony, you emphasized it. But unharmonious things and conflict occurred everyday around the world, what do you think of it？
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我注意到，您反复提到了融合。但是不协调的事、冲突每天都在发生，您有什么看法？
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雷蒙教授（Doc Lehman）：This is part of why I love law and part of why I believed that legal profession is so important everywhere in the world. Of course everywhere there is conflict just as you say, how do you resolve conflict? People can resolve conflict either by fighting each other, or by trying to negotiate, a settlement, a way to make both sides comfortable with the result. Lawyers are the people who can help people who are in conflict to find their way to compromise. Well-trained lawyers can help promote that.
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And so I think of law as a very creative kind of profession. Sometimes of course there is no way to resolve a conflict, sometime there is no compromise, it may be a point of principle for each side, each side says I am right, and it’s not something that I can compromise, I can settle. And then when that happens, we want a system that will be able to find a just result, a fair result, the right result. And there again, lawyers play the crucial role because lawyers are the ones who are able to say how should we decide what is just, how should we decide what is fair, what is right.
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And they can develop the arguments on each side, and they can present them to a neutral decider whether it is a judge or government official or an arbitrator. And in each case , whether it is compromise, a settlement or finding the way to the just result, the lawyer can be the center, the lawyer can be a part of it, so you are exactly right, sometimes there is a way to harmony, sometimes there is not, in either case, a well-trained lawyer can promote the best outcome, that’s possibly.
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这就是我喜欢法律的一个原因， 当然，正如你所说，任何地方都有冲突发生，那么你该如何去解决冲突呢？人们可以通过相互打架的方式来解决，也可以通过谈判之类的方式来使双方都满意。律师就是解决问题的人，他们能够帮助起纷争的人找到和解的方式，一个训练有素的律师就能够做到这一点。
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我认为律师职业是一个充满创造性的职业。当然有些时候某个问题是无法解决的，有些时候双方都不妥协，每一方都坚守阵地，都认为自己才是对的，这种情况没有和解余地的，无法解决问题。当这种情况发生时，我们就需要寻求一个体系，在这个体系中可以找到一个公平合理的结果。在这里，律师再次起到了关键的作用，因为律师可以指出什么是公平的，什么合理的，什么是对的。他们可以同时从双方当事人的角度去看问题，他们把自己摆到了一个中间决定者的位置上，不管是法官、政府官员或仲裁者。
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在每一起案例中，不管是调停工作或是找到公平的解决方案，律师都处于中间者地位，是其中的以部分。有时候可以找到和解的方案，有时候没有和解的方案，在这两种情况下，一名训练有素的律师就能够找到最佳的解决方案，这是有可能的。
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记者（Reporter）：In one of your speech in China, I noticed that you said, two cultures have attracted you so much, one is French culture, the other is Chinese culture, can you tell me what you have got from Chinese culture by far?
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雷蒙教授（Doc Lehman）：I am still in many ways new to learning about Chinese culture. I have only been coming to China for 10 years, so much of what I discovering in China is exciting to me and beautiful to me, and new for me. But one of the things that has impressed me so deeply in China is the sense of commitment to the whole society, to be in part of something that unit 1.3 billion people, and the sense of sharing in the success of entire civilization is very moving.
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You know, United States is such a young country only a few hundred year old. So in United States, we are proud of our history, but it is a short history. In China one of the things that is so impressive, is that whether you are talking about the Xia(夏)，the Shang（商），or the Zhou（周），or the Qin（秦），or Han（汉）dynasties, it is in some ways as it favorite yesterday, or even part of today.
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All Chinese people feel a sense that they are part of this wonderful tradition, and that is something that maybe over the next 5000 years, American will also feel as well.
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对于这件事，我感觉有些抱歉，其实在中国文化的许多方面，我了解的还很浅。我来中国仅仅10年时间，但我在中国所发现的一起都感到激动不已，一个美丽的国家，一个处处都展现新面貌的国家。其中最令我印象深刻的事情就是中国政府对国民负责的态度，能够将13亿人口牢牢的团结起来，分享整个社会文明的发展成果，这是非常令人感动的。
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你知道，美国是一个年青的国家，只有几百年历史。在美国，我们为自己国家的历史感到自豪，但美国的历史却很短。中国悠长的历史则给人非常深刻的印象，无论您们谈论哪个朝代，夏、商、周、秦、汉等等，你们都可以谈出各种灿烂的过去，甚至成为了今天的以部分。
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所有的中国人都为自己灿烂的文化而感同身受，也许再过5000年，美国人也会有同样的感受。
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记者（Reporter）：Shenzhen is a very new city, it has some characteristics of that of America. Shenzhen has only 26 years history
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深圳也是一个非常年青的城市，和美国有些相同，深圳只有26年的历史。
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雷蒙教授（Doc Lehman）：Yes, in only 26 years, it has become incredible exciting large modern city, that is part of why I am so pleased that STL is located here. Because when you think about the symbols of China in the outside world, you have Beijing, which symbolizes this tremendous sense of history, and you have Shanghai as for the old centers of commerce or business, and then you have Hongkong as a center of trade.
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But when you think about the spirit modern China, opening China after 1978, Shenzhen is really the symbol of that, and because transnational law itself is a very modern 21st century concept, I think it is especially appropriate that the school is based right here in Shenzhen.
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对，在短短26年时间中，深圳就变成了一座大型的现代化城市，太令人难以置信了，这也就是为什么我非常高兴STL能够在深圳落户的原因。因为当你在国外谈中国的象征时，你会想到北京，它代表了中国宏伟的历史；你会想到上海，它是中国的商业中心；你也会想到香港，它是中国的贸易中心。
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但当你谈起在中国78年改革开放后中国现代化结晶时，我想深圳无疑就是这个结晶。国际法本身作为21世纪的一个现代概念，我想把这个法学院开在深圳是在合适不过了。
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最后一个问题，您的STL计划能够给深圳的发展具体带来些什么？
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雷蒙教授（Doc Lehman）：Yes, I think as a new city, as a young city, I think the leadership of Shenzhen has realized how important leadership in higher education it is for any great city. I think everywhere in the world you look at a great city, it has embedded in it great university.
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And what the leaders of Shenzhen realized in creating University Town, is that it is not easy to build a great university out of nothing, and they had the brilliant idear to say instead of starting from nothing, let’s look at great universities of China and invite them here, and let them have a present here in Shenzhen. And so University Town symbolizes that, and already here we have all this wonderful incredibly talented students who are part of the larger structure of Beida or Tsinghua or Harbin etc.
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So we have all of these great students already here. STL I think will contribute to that even more, because in addition to having the history and the tradition and the commitment excellence that is Beida, it is also new, and so it combines the quality of Peking University with this entirely new trend in international legal education, and it brings both of them here to Shenzhen. And I believe that people around the world will come to know, and admire the city of Shenzhen even more because STL is here.
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我想，作为一个新城市，一个年青的城市，深圳市的领导已经意识到一个发达的高等教育对于任何一个发达城市的重要性。我想你可以在世界任何一个发达城市看到，它们都拥有最优秀的大学。
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深圳市的领导意识到要在深圳建设一个大学城，但从无到有建设这样一个大学是非常困难的，所以领导们想到了与其从零开始建设，不如借助中国其它著名大学的优势，把他们邀请到深圳，让他们到这里来给学生上课。所以大学城就体现了深圳领导的这个想法，在这里建起了北大、清华、哈工大的研究生院，并且现在有了众多格外优秀的学生。
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我想STL将贡献的更多，因为除了我们现在站在具有悠久历史的北大平台上，我们还是一个全新的学校，它将北京大学的高质量教学标准和国际法律教育的新趋势结合了起来。我们相信来自各国的人们都会因为STL项目落户在深圳而对深圳更加敬仰。
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